Moving through Midlife | Movement Snacks for Midlife Moms, Fitness over 40, Lose the Midsection, and Parenting Teens

96 | Gardening with Stephanie Snyder

May 08, 2023 Courtney McManus Episode 96
Moving through Midlife | Movement Snacks for Midlife Moms, Fitness over 40, Lose the Midsection, and Parenting Teens
96 | Gardening with Stephanie Snyder
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Today I am speaking with Dr Stephanie a life coach who loves to garden and is sharing with us today some tips on gardening. She has found it very therapeutic and rewarding for her and her children and hope that it will do the same for you. If you struggle with that green thumb, she is going to provide us with some tips to help us get started. Enjoy!


What got you started in gardening?
1:17
Gardening as a test of trust.
6:25
How to get started with raised garden beds.
9:00
How much soil to put in each bed?
14:06
How much space does it take to grow indoor plants?
19:25
Kids getting out in the garden
21:54
Where to start with vegetables?
25:14
How many plants do you need for your garden?
28:13


Learn about Stephanie:
Dr. Stephanie Snyder is a Navy wife and mother to 4 beautiful children. She is a mentor, speaker, and joy seeker. Through her simplified methods, she teaches women how to make the most of their time and resources while still being present with their families and easily creating the life they desire. When Stephanie isn't spending time with her family or growing her business she enjoys horseback riding and competing in marathons and triathlons.

Stephanie's vision is to support women to create what they desire in a way that feels great, while emphasizing self-care without guilt and shame to make the most of the life we have.

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Welcome to raising healthy humans, a podcast created for busy moms where you can easily find info on health and wellness for your family. Join Courtney, a health coach movement and posture specialist and founder form fit and active and supportive community where she helps busy moms move more here on raising healthy humans podcast. She shares personal life experiences, training, knowledge and conversations with other health and wellness experts so you can raise healthy humans. Today I'm speaking with Dr. Stephanie, a life coach who loves to garden and is sharing with us today some tips on gardening. She has found it very therapeutic and rewarding for her and her children, and hope that it will do the same for you. If you struggle with that green thumb, she is going to provide us with some tips to help us get started. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Hello, how are you today? I'm great. How are you? I'm good. So I wanted to have you on because you mentioned that gardening was a passion of yours. And I'd like to know like what got you started into gardening? Well, my mother always had a garden growing up. And I remember as a young kid being sent out there to pick the vegetables for dinner. And I she would have to send somebody out to kit to follow me because I would invariably sit down in front of the green beans and eat for green beans and put one in the basket. And so about 15 minutes after she sent me out, she'd have to send my older sister out to confirm that I was in fact picking green beans. But I was also eating them all. So I wasn't usually left alone in the garden very long, because I would just eat it all on my own. And so having such fond memories of the garden and picking the vegetables and everything else. I knew I wanted to do it with my kids. And I like to tell the story that I actually failed at gardening for probably the first seven years. Yeah, seven or eight years I totally failed at it had no idea what I was doing. And I remember when we moved into our current house, my house like they were going to do a garden and I want to do raised beds. And he looked at me and he said if your garden fails this year, that's it. We're done. We're never gardening again. And that year, we had so much produce that my two older kids had to set up a farm stand at the end of the road to sell the vegetables because we couldn't eat them. We couldn't read them as many as we were producing. Yeah. Yeah. But leading up to that the seven years prior to that. There were not enough vegetables to even make it into the house. And did you use raised beds at that time, or you were using just the soil? Yeah, so a number of different things because we're military family. We lived in different places. So our first house was in Gulfport, Mississippi. And I thought I'll just put it in the ground. It'll be fine. I knew nothing about gardening. So I just stuck stuff in the ground. And my dog was like, Yeah, I'm gonna eat all of that. And my dog ripped it all up. I never had anything to show for that garden. And that was two years in a row. I mean, it grew but there was like, nothing that you could pick off of it. And we lived in Sicily, Italy. Wow. It was it was warm. It was hot. And I thought you know what, I'm gonna put the garden in the shade of the trees so that my plants don't burn. Well, garden actually needs full sun. They don't like to grow in the shade. So that year didn't work. Failure, right. So the failure number three. So the fourth year we did put it in a spot where it got full sun. Well, my kids, the my older two kids at the time, they were about three and one or four and two was about their ages. They would go into the garden themselves and just eat everything. So nothing made it into the house that year. They were like you. Yes, yeah. So they would eat the tomatoes like it looked like an apple they would just eat it right off the vine and the green beans and everything else right. So never made it into the house. And then our fifth year we moved back to Virginia. And we had a tiny little yard and I thought this will be great. I'll have my tiny little garden here. It'll be perfect. And I put way too many plants in the tiny little space and they all suffocated each other. Okay, then the following year. I thought okay, I'll just plant a few less plants in this will be fine. Well, we got a Great Dane. And she thought that it would be fun because she could just jump the garden fence. And so she would jump the garden fence and squish all of my little baby plants. And think that it was hysterical, and then jump back out. So that that was I think, failure number six. And then the seventh year, we had this big beautiful yard in our new house. And we're on like three quarters of an acre. So I had partitioned this one corner of the yard, my thought this is going to be great. I'm just going to put the plants right in the ground. Surely this will be like the surely this will work out like I've failed so many times it has to work this time, right? I put them in the ground in the wettest part of the yard. Okay. Yep. And we went away on vacation and came home and all my plants had drowned. Oh, because that's where all the water just sat? Yeah, yeah. So you're number eight. We did the raised beds. And then I started to really pay attention to the sun, the soil type, how plants were growing together, those kinds of things. But I had to fail several times along the way to figure it all out. Okay. Well, and it's, it's, I mean, it's like anything else, you have to learn and experience and try to work through it to be able to be successful at it. It doesn't. Not everything comes right away in anything that we do. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And I want to get to the gardening. But I want to know, what does gardening do for you? What have you found out of your experience with gardening? Absolutely. So I love love love gardening. And I think it's a great metaphor for life in general. Because there is so much trust that's involved in gardening, right? So my little ones, I now have four kids. So my eight year old and my five year old, we put the plants in the garden this past weekend. But we also planted seeds. And seeds are a trust test 1000 times over, because you're like, I don't see anything happening. It's in the ground? Where are those little buggers? Like, are they going to come up? Or they're not going to come up? Like, it's it's caught? So even today, I mean, we're three days into the seeds being into the ground, and I walked out there today. And I was like, Well, nothing's coming up. But I know, it takes longer than three days typically, right? You by like day 14, if something isn't up, then I'm like, okay, that seed is dead. I need to plant a new one. But it does require trust. And the same thing is true with anything that we start. Because you're not going to see results in the first three days typically, right? Like, depending on what it is that you're just you decided to do. It takes time for the thing to actually grow and free it to show up in your life. In a really great testament to that was we did asparagus one for winter asparagus years ago. And it actually takes three years for you to harvest asparagus because the first few years Yeah, the first couple of years, it will grow and it will sprout but it tastes terrible. Okay, so it's year three that you can actually harvest the asparagus, which was trying for my children because they're like balm, we can pick it and you're like, No, no, you don't want to eat that yet. It's a very time consuming with all of that. Yes, yes. I mean in the same thing I with my flowers I have. I got a Christmas Amaryllis three years ago. And the first year, I just got leaves that came up the second year. Well, first after the leaves came up. I had never grown an amaryllis before I thought I had killed it when the leafs died. And I was so sad, but I was like, You know what, I really liked the pot that it's in, I'm just gonna keep the pot. And then the following year, I glanced at it and it started to grow again. And I was like, Holy crap, I didn't kill it. That's cool. But then I just got leaves and I was like, shoot and I get like a dud. Is this thing never gonna bloom for me. Well, this year, the leafs came up. And then one day I went to water it and I saw this little bud that had started to come up and you would have thought I had won the lottery the way I responded. I grabbed the pot and I ran to my husband and I was like there's a bud and he was like there's a light and I was like it's actually gonna bloom this year and he was like, I don't See what you see. And I was like, see? He's like, Oh, okay, that's really great. I'm happy for you. But it took me three years, and I it recently bloomed. I got two balloons off of it. And it was a beautiful thing. And I loved it. But I really thought I killed it for a little while. Yeah, well, we have a banana tree. Well, you know, if you have one, you have many bananas. And we it flowered in, I would say the fall maybe or would have been the summer I'm not sure when they flower, but it had flowers. And it took for ever for them to become where they were ready for us to pull them off. It was interesting. My husband's like, first it took forever to flower. I think it's about two years of them. Not from seed, but we replanted from someone else. And I think it was two years. And then it finally flowered. And about six months later, we were finally the fruit off. So yeah, it's it's very interesting. And I would love to learn from you a little bit more about how to use these raised beds because I've I, we live in Florida. And very well, either you have very wet soil part of the year, or it's very dry, hot. Not even really nutrient rich. Yeah. So I'd love to know, because I'd like to grow some more vegetables in our house, we know outside our house, and we don't have a ton of space, which is why I'm interested in the raised beds, because we don't have, you know, yeah, acres of land. So, yeah, so in that instance, what you could do is you could actually do ladder beds, where you could have the flower pots basically put them in what looks like a ladder, so that rope down would be a great way to start without a bunch of space. That's a really good idea. And then what I typically recommend for people is that they start with a couple of pots, because pots are a safe way to get started to see if you even like it without committing to raised beds. Because one, you're not spending a crap ton of money on dirt to fill the raised beds, okay, which it in addition to also spending the money on the structure of the beds themselves. So we started with eight raised beds, and my husband built the frames out of cedar plank fencing. So the cuts for a cedar fence, he cut them to size and made eight of them out of this. They were they're actually really beautiful. They look really good when they're brand new, they look a little bit weathered now. But that that was the start and people we were actually told initially to use fill dirt and compost. I will never tell anybody to use filled dirt ever. Because it's crap soil. And it comes to the top and it is nutrient poor. So they suggested it just to kind of give a base to the raised beds so that I wasn't spending so much money on the compost. But it has, those beds are awful. Now they're a pain in the butt to even work with. Even after adding all the compost to it. Yeah, it's if you are struggling for space, I would recommend you know, maybe some bigger rocks or something. Okay, you know, but, but really, if you're putting the raised beds on the ground, the stuff that needs really deep roots can just go down into the ground anyways, it's not going to hurt anything. But we use mushroom compost. Really nutrient rich, really beneficial for the plants. And so we do that and in depending on the bed so our beds are I'm trying to do the dimensions of it. They're about 14 inches deep. Okay, so we'll do about eight inches deep of soil and each bed depending on what we're growing. The potatoes definitely way more dirt because they grow underneath and in the dirt. But the stuff that grows above the soil you don't need really more than that. Okay, yep, so we and what we did with we figured out the hard way was to find the area of your yard that gets the most sun because your garden really does love the sun. And, and they do really well in full sun. So I do have one bed that doesn't get as much sun as the rest of them. But that's for my lettuces, because the lettuce will will fry if it gets too hot. And so that's something to, to keep in mind. But everything else loves the sun really needs the sun. And so that's what I generally tell people is to just start to pay attention where the sun falls in your yard. Yes, it changes throughout the year. But typically, you will have one area of your yard, maybe that gets more sun than anything else. And that's really the best place to start putting things. Okay. And then when you you mentioned compost soil, do you like make your own compost? Or do you purchase? I know you mentioned you purchase from me for the mushroom? Yes, so we purchase the mushroom compost from a local garden store. You can also get it at your Lowe's or Home Depot in a bag if you don't have a ton. If you don't need a lot of soil, you can get it in a bag. But because we get a ton of soil when we do it, and I don't mean an actual ton, but we get a couple of cubic yards. So we'll actually get it on the trailer and then put it into the flowerbeds. Okay, yeah. And then do you do you compost yourself or we tried it. We did try it years ago, and it was not super beneficial. So it wasn't worth the effort for actions. The smaller yard that we had, if we had, you know, several acres, we would probably be more active in it. But we have we have chickens and so I let my chickens roam the beds in the offseason. Okay, and so they are able to poop in it. Whatever. Right and put other nutrients back in it. Yeah. Match. Yeah, that was a nicer way to say that. Yeah. Quite alright. Well, and are you in Virginia now? Yes. Okay. Okay. Because I'm thinking of our Florida heat. It does. And I think that's why I've been so unsuccessful with my gardening is because it's just so hot here yet and dry. And like the potted plants when you said start with the potted plants, they need to be watered like mid day, just because it gets so hot, they're dry as can be more the summer where it's raining non stop, and then drown. Yes. And so what I like to do with my pots because sometimes here in Virginia will have really wet times as well. And I don't want my plants to my potted plants to drown either and so about two or three inches above the bottom of the pot, I'll actually drill a hole that will let the excess water drain out but the roots will still have access to that water below. So when I do the pots of I'll put in depending on the size of the pot, I'll put in a few inches of of stones. Okay, above the stone level is where I'll drill that hole. And then I'll put in the potting soil, the compost, whatever it is and then put the plant in that way one you have the stones in there to help maintain where the pot is so it's not blowing away on you. But it also keeps the water in there for those drier times the plants roots will eventually get down there and you'll be able to to not worry about it drowning because it it's got access to a drainage. Yeah, right. Now that's a good idea. And then what do you do? I've always wondered because you always see all these beautiful plants and pots. But then I feel like the plants become too big for the pot. So what like is there a way to maintain it to where they don't get too big and you can keep them in the pot forever? Or do you always have to then move it because then how do you do that? You then you have plants all which is great if you have a ton of land but if you don't, and you feel like you have to kill off these plants because you have nowhere to put them. Yes, so it depends on the plant for sure. Because some plants so I have some indoor plants that are viney, the pathos. They're really great indoor plants. They don't need a huge pot because they vine everywhere. I literally have one rolling up my bookcase downstairs. So it doesn't need a huge pot for that instance. But I have I also have a it's not a Petunia. A pansy. I have a pansy that my daughter brought home for Mother's Day. Four years ago, in a little like, Mother's Day pa that she made it preschool kind of thing. And I put it in my bathroom. And I was like, Oh, it's so pretty like, and I know it's an annual, so it's gonna die by No, no, it loves my bathroom. And the thing is massive now. And I recently had to report it into a much larger pot because the little pot like this right, was tiny. It was in like a little eight ounce pot, and I had to put it into like a two gallon pot because it just keeps growing. It's massive. Like, it's supposed to only be an annual depending on where you are like it's supposed to die off in the frost. But as a houseplant, it loves the spot. It is in my bathroom, and it is massive. And I will probably cry a lot if it ever dies. Oh yeah, it absolutely depends on the plant. Oh, with house plants, do you then also have a lot of house plants. So I have, I don't have as many house plants as I have outdoor plants. And that's mainly because of space. I have way more space outside for plants. And then I do inside. And plus my kids are like, notorious for knocking over pot and soil going everywhere. Like the other night. I have a bit of a plant in my girls bathroom. And my daughter came to me at like 930 at night, my 13 year old and she was like Mom, I knocked over the plant. There's soil everywhere. And I was like, I'm not cleaning it up, you figure it out. So one of the reasons I don't have a bunch of plants in my house, and I have them outside, so Okay, well in you mentioned that your children help with all of this. Yes. And you talk like what have you noticed that they've gotten out of gardening? Oh my god, they love it so much. And I have pictures of like my son, when we first did the raised beds, I have pictures of my son like skipping out there with like a little pail to go pick the vegetables. And I love it. I love the time out there with them. And it's so fun for them to go out and be like, Oh, this is fresh from the garden. Not to mention how different it tastes. Hmm. I mean, if you've never had a homegrown watermelon, you are missing out on like the most divine thing in the world. They are just so sweet. That everything tastes so different when you actually grow it yourself. And I don't use I don't use any sort of pesticides or anything because my kids go out there and they just pick it right off the vine. So I'm certainly not going to spray it and be like, you can't go in the garden because I just sprayed for pests, right. defeats the purpose of having my own garden I feel. Yeah. So but I mean, having said that it is it is an upkeep to grow it organically. But when the kids go out there and they see oh my god, there's little strawberries, or when we get to pick a pepper or you know, the snow, the snow peas that we grow. I've never had a snow pea actually make it into the house. Because my kids will go out there and they will just eat the snow peas right off the vine. They've never made it into the house. I don't think they're ever going to but it's so fun for like my my son who's 16 He'll go out there with my five year old and be like shut down. And they'll the two of them will just sit there and snack on the snow piece together. And I'll be like Did you bring any in he's like, Oh, no, sorry. They're all gone. Gee, thanks. Well, they I think they appreciate things more my daughter. She doesn't like bananas per se but she ate these bananas and she said that they were pretty good. I think it was they're not quite as sweet. As regular Nana's like commercialized bananas they were had more of a sour It wasn't that they weren't sweet it was just had a very different taste to it. Salary sweet taste almost like when you think of a new like just starting to ripe banana okay, yes we were in the texture was more like a regular banana. Does that make sense? It was more Yeah, he said like it was greener but still looked and felt yes and and sometimes the soil and even the temperatures can change the the taste of that fruit or vegetable right so brussel sprouts after a frost they taste much sweeter. Oranges for instance, when we lived in Sicily, blood oranges We're very, very popular love blood oranges came about after I frost. Okay, the orange changed color because of the temperature. So those things will start to impact your fruit and how it tastes for sure. Okay, so what would you recommend people like if they're interested in trying to garden, which I think every family should definitely at least try, like you said, Get grab a potted plant? What would you recommend you start with if you're looking at, say vegetables, trying to bring that into the home so that children are seeing and growing their own vegetables, hopefully being able to enjoy it. And I mean, I feel like for us, we have a place where we grow some lettuce, and it made them more interested in eating the lettuce. So what where would you start with family who might be new to this? Yeah, so let us is a really easy one to start with lettuce or any kind of herbs. So I actually have a little herb garden that has like cilantro and parsley, and sage, and I'm trying to think of all the other I have a ton of rosemary chives. I've got a bunch of different herbs in there. That's a great one to start because you can start those in a pot. And you can kind of cycle through it pretty quickly. So cilantro will grow and sprout very quickly. And so you kind of have to be on top of that. But those are lettuces certainly super easy to do. I like to tell people to to start something that they're going to use regularly. So peppers, if you're big into bell peppers or jalapenos. We do a lot of jalapeno poppers during the summertime at my house. So jalapenos are a staple for sure. Bell peppers are incredible. They do like the heat. And so when we grow a lot of bell peppers, and I was talking to a lady at the grocery store recently, she was like, Oh, the bell peppers are on sale. She's like, I really want to get them but you can't freeze bell peppers. And I was like, yes, you can. And she was like, What do you mean? And I said, Well, you just slice it up as if you were going to put it in a stir fry. I said put it on a cookie sheet, put them in the freezer for a couple of hours. And then once they're hard enough, put them in a bag I said and then you can use them for stir fries later on down the road and she said oh my gosh, what a great idea. And that's what we do because we get we typically some years we have a really bad year for peppers. But there's been several years that we've had I mean hundreds of bell peppers, and I'll pick them slice them stick them in the freezer and then we use them for unstuffed peppers and stir fries and and whatever all year round. But I don't have to spend a boatload of money on peppers on offseason. Okay. Tomatoes are a good one too. Those are those are fun. I know some people are like, Well what about blueberries or raspberries, you typically have to have two of those because they do cross pollinate. Now, those fruit trees, the fruit bushes kinds of things there. There's certainly something that you could start with in a pot. But you typically have to have a couple of them in order for them to pollinate. Okay, okay. Yes. And I was going to say like with some of these things like you're mentioning the peppers, how many plants are you having to grow to get enough for your family? Yes, so that's a great question as well. So I used to think that I had to stockpile my plants into the beds in order to get enough but I in my raised beds which are six feet by three feet in you know the dimensions of it. I put three tomato plants in there. Yeah, and I have so many tomatoes coming out of my eyeballs that I am able to make homemade tomato sauce, pasta sauce, those kinds of things. I do a lot of oven roasted potatoes during the summertime and they are absolutely delicious. Same thing with cherry tomatoes, my cherry tomatoes just go out of control to the point where I can't pick them fast enough because there are so many of them. Zucchini and summer squash is a big one that we do too. And usually three to four plants is plenty. Yeah, so you don't need a ton of plants, peppers, peppers we do more of because I can freeze those for a longer period of time. I can freeze the zucchini and squash but I tend not to and so for the peppers we like I have I think I have 12 to 15 pepper plants. Right now, just because we do freeze them, and we use a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. But can you put those in thoughts as well? Yes, they would do well, yeah. poppers will do well in pots, zucchini plants will do well in pots. The thing about that is that you can get the bush version of it, okay, we won't necessarily vine out as much. And so the zucchini and the summer squash, we do the bush version. We also do watermelon and cantaloupe and honeydew, melon and cucumbers. But those Viny are things they really have to have space to grow. So if you're okay with like not cutting your grass, you can put them in a pot. But they will. And even if you have a cage for them, they'll grow up and around the cage and you'll be hunting for cucumbers or you know, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because we have tomatoes that we grow out in our we have a tower garden, and we grow out and around on those. And it's crazy how much the vines go. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's very, definitely need a cage for those. Yeah. So alright, well, um, how can people find you if they're interested in learning more from you? Absolutely. So Instagram is the best place to find me I am. I'm on there every day, whether it's in my stories or a post, and there'll be way more gardening posts coming through because it is now prime gardening season. And another thing that I like to add is, if you are buying the plant, right, not starting from the seed, I do recommend that you find like a local farmers market of some sort. And mainly because they're going to be using more locally sourced sourced soil, which will allow your plants to actually adapt to your soil better, as opposed to, and this is no fault of Home Depot or Lowe's. Right. But Home Depot and Lowe's, they generally don't have laid local soil. They're, you know, bringing in plants from other places. And so sometimes the soil doesn't translate well. And your plants will actually have a harder time growing and your own soil. Oh, interesting. So would you then say from seed, if you can't find someone local? Yes. So seeds are usually so here's, I don't typically start a whole lot of things from seeds, like in the house, simply because I don't have the patience to to get them outside appropriately, I, I tend to think that they'll be totally fine in the full sun and then I fried them all. And so if you're, if you're okay, just sticking the seed in the soil and letting nature do its thing, that's a great place to start. But if you do want to buy plants, you know, you can definitely check out like a local farmers market or you know, something like that where they will have closer to your soil. Okay, I was gonna say some seeds as long as you as long as you're okay. Being patient for a little bit longer to come through. Yeah. Okay. So maybe even like a local nursery. Yeah. Would have more the soil. Okay. Yes. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Perfect. All right. So and then if we have questions we can reach out to you on Absolutely. Happy to help us. Yes. I would love to answer all the gardening questions. Yeah. Okay. Because I'm determined to try. I always go out, you know, this is the best time to go out and grab your plants. And I always go out and I get all kinds of stuff. And I'm looking out and I've got a few things and they're very sad. Right now. They're waiting for the rain to come because I'm not providing them enough. Yes, well, and another another thing that you can do for that, because I hear this a lot is Oh, I forgot about my plant. I will set an alarm on my phone. Or like a daily reminder, like, check the soil of your plant, like whatever it is, we're we're blessed to have an irrigation system. And so I can set that on automatic so that I know my garden is getting watered every day. But for my indoor houseplants like if I get a new plant I have to remind myself Okay, hey, water, the new plant because you just got it and it's not in your current routine. Yes, so so don't be ashamed of putting a reminder on your phone shoot, I have to put a reminder on my phone to remind me to go pick up my kids at the end of the day because I'll get so in involved in something that I'll forget what time it is. And so I just leave the reminder on my phone my watch whatever it is so that I'm not worried about missing my kids. Yeah. So yeah. Okay, so if you could leave the listeners with one thing Trying to help them get started this week on growing their garden, what would you recommend? I would recommend just finding the fun in it. I am a big proponent of finding the joy in anything. And so just you know, have the have fun, like, get a little packet of seeds and just see what it does. You know if it does nothing, okay, you haven't wasted any time, right? But just, you know, give it a try. I am. I love to do little mini experiments. And so just see what happens, you might really enjoy going outside and intending to a plant and learning to trust the process of something growing. And you can see how it will, you know, weave into other areas of your life. Plus, if you have your kids, they're more than happy to get their fingers dirty. Yeah, yeah. Well, in like you mentioned at the beginning, really trusting that failing is not what we think of failing. It's learning you eight different times. And each time you were learning something on how to do it correctly. Right, right. No matter what Yes, yeah, you can just narrow down all the things that are not working. And you can find kind of the niche that is working. And it's the same, the same is true in any area of your life. No, if it didn't work out that way. It wasn't supposed to work that way. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day for this. Absolutely. It was so fun. And I look forward to all the gardening questions and all the pictures of all the gardens from here on. Perfect. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to listen to our podcast. We hope you found this information valuable and can incorporate it into your family's life. Make sure to check out our show notes for all the important links available. Come join us on Facebook and moms raising healthy humans community page. 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