Ep 56: Receiving a Life Altering Diagnosis with Clarissa, Founder of MS Mama's

Today I am speaking with Clarissa about what it is like to receive a life altering diagnosis.  She was diagnosed with Relapsing-Remitting Multiple Sclerosis when she was 19.  She has since become a Yoga Instructor, a mother, a doula, and recently started her own company and community MS Mama's.

She speaks into how to persevere through a diagnosis, talks us through some seated yoga exercises, and talks about her flourishing community for moms with MS.   

You can find Clarissa

MS Mamas Webinar Signup

and her boutique:

https://www.msmamasboutique.com

Transcript

Unknown: 0:09

Welcome to raising healthy humans, where you as a busy mom can come each week to find information on health and wellness for your family. Enjoy experts discussing tips to help raise children through each phase of life. Gather current information on nutrition and wellness. And listen to Courtney, a personal trainer, health coach, movement specialist and founder of forum fit a community where she helps busy moms move more. Here she provides you with movement and posture tips, while sharing information you need to help raise healthy humans. Today I am speaking with Clarissa about what it is like to receive a life altering diagnosis. She was diagnosed with relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis when she was 19 years old. She has since become a yoga instructor, a mother, a doula, and recently started her own company in community. The MS Mama's she speaks into how to persevere through a diagnosis today talks us through some seated yoga exercises and talks about her flourishing community for moms with Ms. I hope you enjoy it. So my name is Clarissa and I am soon to be 31 years old. In June. It's like ah, I don't know. Maybe it's just me getting older. But I'm gonna be 31 in June, and I am the mama of two beautiful girls now. But I've had my you know, share of ups and downs and I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis when I was 19 years old way before I was among all right. sophomore in college, you know, doing a whole lot handling a lot, but not really ready to handle Ms. I'm 19 years old. Definitely. did you how did you notice that it was coming about? Like, what were the signs? Did you have any specific signs or symptoms that you were dealing with? So when I when I think back on my MS. A lot of people actually, when you ask them about Ms. They'll be like, Oh, wow, that was this thing when I was 10. And I can I can honestly say that around the freshman year of college. So not until I was about 18 I started to feel like things were a little off and like I was a little dizzy and like some things just weren't clicking and stuff. So I remember going to my doctor and I remember her diagnosing me with vertigo, you know, Vertigo is, uh huh. And I remember her being like, there's this grain of salt. Okay. I mean, what else was I gonna think at that time. So I went ahead, and I did the exercises that she helped. She asked me to do, they didn't really help. But then my symptoms kind of kept going. So that summer, I went to the beach, major leg drop major, just dragging of my left limb. Because as we know, the heat can really exacerbate Ms. You can make a lot go on. And I guess I just hadn't at all the two and two together that there was even something going on. I mean, think about it. When you're walking in the sand. Like, is it a little hard anyways, I guess that's when people run into the sand. Like on the beach, this is harder. It legitimately is so I didn't really think much of it. But I didn't notice that summer before my sophomore year of college, dragging my leg on the beach, like to the point where I could not even get far I'd have to rest it was exhausting. And so I remember going into my sophomore year of college, I was still this crazy student who knew why he was doing 16 units of work, you know, a semester and taking, you know all those classes, working, you know, eight to 16 hours a week sometimes so, and it was a lot it was Is it was, as we know, as I knew no, of course, and I talk about all the time, stress, number one exacerbated? Yes, yes. And that's not just a math that's like everything is stressing mastery, it's everything. And so slowly, during the fall, my symptoms started to kind of get a little more severe. And I started to notice that I would kind of fall because the leg job was getting really, really bad. And I noticed that I was starting to have speech issues. And I noticed that some of my functions were almost seeming to slow down a little bit. So I noticed these little things. But as a college student doing all those things, you don't really think about it. I mean, you have lots of schoolwork, lots of partying, lots of you know, extracurriculars, all of this stuff to do that. MS is the last thing from your mind. So I kept going, and finally came around. Christmas came around, and I went home for Christmas. And I saw my, you know, all of my family. My mother was like, What's wrong with you? Like my mom's? I'm the oldest of nine, in a Mexican household, on my mother's side, at least. So she's like, what's wrong with you're very blunt? Like, Oh, nothing, you know, I just have a little weakness or whatever, I don't even know what I said. And she's like, No, that's not right. And I would fall and she's, you know, like, everyone's concerned about me at that point. And so I'm falling multiple times, and it's new. It's Christmas Eve. It's Christmas, even all my family's around, I'm falling everywhere. I mean, like, That's it, you have to go to the emergency room. And if you know anything about the emergency room on Christmas Eve, it's not a fun place to be. So I didn't want to do it. But she wasn't gonna let me stay there. She wasn't gonna let me do my presence, or something. You know, so I went and being the oldest of nine, I went with my boyfriend, who's now my husband. And we sat there for what seemed like a really long time, you know, at least an hour, probably until we even got a, you know, seen the first intake. And they noticed little things like your eyes not tracking, like you're a little slow on this side. Like they said, we were pretty sure, because they took me back, they did a brain scan, because it was kind of normal for the symptoms, I was experiencing the cognitive issues and things. So they did the brain scan, and they said, there are lesions. And it was like, what they're like, there are lesions, and we are 99.9%. Sure you have Ms. And I still remember telling my grandmother on the phone what I was experiencing already, and she was like, Well, that sounds like a missing link. What hell is that? And she's like, well, you need to talk to them, because I think you have Ms. And I had never heard those two words, those two letters put together in my life. And so when they were saying it again, I was like, What the heck is this? And it was going so fast. And I was so young, and I was scared and and I just let them because I didn't know what else to do well, and of course, you want to figure out what's going on. I mean, friggin I was going to a research university at that time. So it's like, well, of course, they want to know what's going on. So they did the brain scan, and came back with lesions, and they were pretty sure. And they said, We're gonna do a spinal tap tonight to confirm your diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis. And all of this is like, what are these things? What are they doing to me, but when they explain the procedure was like, Oh, wow. I'm in a hospital. It's December, I'm freezing because I'm pretty small. And honestly, they just, they just took that and they were like, we're gonna have to do this, we have to. And so I laid on the table and my spouse was holding my hand and I was shaking and it was really hard and they were like, you have to stop shaking. And I couldn't, it was freezing. So the male nurse sat on top of me and, and it was all a very big blur. And when I look back on it, I'm very thankful for having those things happen in one night. Because that's very rare. There are people that go years without a diagnosis. And sometimes people still never get a super conclusive, you know, result, because maybe the area they live in maybe the doctors that they work with whatever it is, I felt grateful, because I knew I had to be. But it was so overwhelming. And so I just went home and I lost it, I just went into full on depression. I mean, I did all those things that a regular person diagnosed with anything does. So we, when we talk about that, we talk about how when you get diagnosed with anything, when you go through a major, major life incidents, you go through grieving, in a way. And so I felt myself going through the seven stages of grieving, and I felt myself staying stuck in certain areas, because if it felt whatever, you know, right at the time, and so I let myself and I was in grad school at this time, even though it really was not super, you know, important to me. By that time, I had just went through the motions, I had chose to ignore everything I had kept going with school, because for whatever that was, kept me going, that was what kept me going. And so in the end, after, I'm not going to say it was easy, after years, after finding yoga, after doing the work, honestly, and that is so hard for some people to hear for whatever reason. Most people want to hear success story from A to Z. And what I mean is A to Z, like just to jump. But that's not how it goes. It's a, b, c, d, e and n, they're all these little steps that lead to this end product that you end up seeing, which is me now you know how you see it, whatever, even though I'm always work in progress. It it took going through the therapy it took going through the the yoga practice and falling over and having to be turned down some places and being told no, that's not an option for you. It took all those kinds of things, but it really did. It really turned me into the kind of person that I am now going through those hardships going through multiple sclerosis, because if I didn't have those struggles, how would I be able to tell you this? Right, how would I be able to resonate with so many other people? We're in this exact moment right now? Yeah. So go ahead. No, you go ahead. You're fine. Fine. So you ended up where you are today is you are teaching yoga. Correct. So your yoga certified. So I am now a registered yoga teacher. I have been 2017. And it was by chance it was I found someone in the winning room at UCSF who happened to do yoga and who happened to have Ms. We live in the same exact town as me and little old Turlock they live coming to UCSF for an appointment turned me on to yoga in a way that I will never look back on. And from that I was given a gift. I was given the gift of opportunity. And I took that and it was really, really hard. And I struggled with that. But it built me in I began to love it. And then yes, I got certified to teach in 2017 I think I'm going on what, five years now. And I love it. I work for Dignity Health. I teach prenatal and accessible yoga for them. And of course i i also have my own yoga. I have my own programs and I have my own groups going on with me Multiple Sclerosis mamas which I have created. And yes to help me deal with my illness because we always need that. Right. But to help all the other mamas that wish they would have had those thoughts in those, those words, and those everything, the exercises and the mental health, when when they were going through those times, right, right. Yeah. And I would even say, like with multiple sclerosis, after use, you found yoga. Did it help, too? I just went on a different track, but I will not be yours. You're completely right. Did it help sent it completely into remission, I have been in remission with my multiple sclerosis for over five years. Oh, wow. to mean that, I don't have major walking issues. I don't have too many issues. Of course, you have the fatigue, the brain fog, but we're human, you know. But I don't have the major speech, slur all of those kinds of issues. But we know there's multiple sclerosis, because it is an in and out disease. I can change tomorrow and be the exact same way. But yoga gave me the gift of being able to heal my body in a sense of, I don't wake up feeling like crap every day. Yeah, in a sense, I appreciate and I am grateful. And I know that that has a lot to do with my path, as well. Right? Well, and I'm sure you have learned how to control some of the stress in your life as well through yoga. So whether it being someone who has been diagnosed with something, or just being a new mom, the stressors that you're dealing with in life can take, you know, can create a huge impact on your health. So what are you, you know, what, what is your practice? Like? I know you teach. So, is there a different practice? Or when you're working? Like for yourself? Do you practice meditation, is it yoga. So when I'm teaching for dignity, health, I also do, I'm not gonna lie, I forced my clients to do a little bit of medicine, they don't like it. A lot of my clients are older, a lot of a lot of them have never done the kind of yoga that I teach, which is breath incorporated with stretching, and all of that kind of stuff, the synchronicity. So a lot of them have never done it that way before. But I do incorporate it all. And my kids, my kids know, because I don't just you know, I also work with, you know, small organizations, women, infants, and children, I also work with that kind of stuff. And I shoot videos with my daughter doing yoga, and sometimes she's like, but I do it when I can, because it's important for me to instill the breath. It's important for me to instill the fact that this is what you can come to when you're having a bad day. Or when you just don't want to talk to me, whatever it is, you know, they're very important practices, I think that I really tried to instill in my children, young, but when we talk about my own practice, I do and it's been a while. And, and really, I'm like, Why, now that I think about it, but it's been a while, that I just hold it by myself. And I just do you know, not even not even an hour practice. 20 minutes, 30 minutes by myself, you know, and I think depending on the mood, the flow of the day, how I wake up feeling, that's how my yoga is gonna go. And I definitely always let my feelings and I let my my body control my practice. Because we're not the same every day. And if multiple sclerosis has taught me anything, is you are entirely different today and you will entirely be different tomorrow. away. Yeah. And I think and that that's for all of us, like, yeah, it's just with our hormones with all of the things that happen in life with children like you just have to really take it day by day and less sent to your body. Yeah, the thing, right. That's why that's, I'm not gonna say that, why I entirely do what I do. But that is why sometimes I get up in the morning is that there are moms out there who are dealing with multiple sclerosis. And there are moms out there that are doing a lot of other things, and still maintaining a household and maybe still pregnant and maybe all of these other things. And so, I really said to myself, What would I have wished I would have had, during quarantine during the beginning stages of my pregnancy, during the lonely parts, or, you know, the parts where I just didn't feel understood. And I said, what I would have loved a community of women to go to and to support me and to understand pretty much exactly what I'm going through, because they're going through it too. You know, it's a pretty, how do I say, it's not even rare? Like, you almost, and I got this from my family? It's a biased, it's a like, how do you say, like, it's a discrimination in that you have multiple sclerosis, you should not be having children. Some, you know, some I have, I have faced that from my own family, I have faced that from friends, whatever it is, when actually, we know that multiple sclerosis benefits from pregnancy. In that my MS. And many of my women's ms goes into remission when I get pregnant. So the baby works in my big men, my favor, and the breastfeeding works in my favor for those times. And we want to say, Oh, well, what about this, you only have a 4% chance of actually passing multiple sclerosis on to your children. It's, it's pretty low. If you think about odds, it happens. I do know some mom daughters. But the it's kind of like, you're gonna not have children because they might get diabetes when they I mean, the thing is, we're entitled to absolutely everything. And that if if I left my mom was no one thing it is that it is you deserve the for the whole and complete life that that you had before this, too. Yeah. Yeah. I find it interesting. That prior to diagnosis, and even once you were diagnosed, you continued to just I'm assuming you've continued to push along because you said you went and got a master's as well Correct. Or you were a master's program. So I went halfway. And then I was like, I'm going to be a yoga instructor. Can you imagine my grandmother's face? First of all, I was going I was going for my MSW, which is my master's in social work, too. So to so to California farmers that's kind of like so I was already kinda, you know, an outlier. But then I said I wasn't gonna quit it and started doing yoga. And they were like, we don't even we didn't know what to say. And it's beautiful now because now I feel like my grandmother actually brought this on me and brag to her friends and my daughter works for a hospital you know, even though I'm kind of thinking about leaving for my program and stuff, you know, all the stuff I have going on. She actually bragged on me and she asked me for tips and she does all these other things. And it's interesting the way not even a certification because I always have the certification was interesting the way notoriety can make you be looked at differently, whether it's even notoriety of an organization that you work for whatever. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's interesting how you, we tend to rush through everything we're, we are constantly go go go. And it took and I don't want to speak for you but I feel this is kind of where you mentioned it took slowing down to be Be able to heal, to be able to bring it into remission, I don't want to say heal, but you know, to be able to help support your body through it. And I feel like we as a society have gotten so fast with everything, we do not stop at all. And I think it's doing a complete disservice to us and our health, because we don't take time to listen anymore. And I feel like for you, taking that time, once you started yoga, you were able to then take time to, even if it was emotionally heal from the diagnosis. And it's funny because I was still in my master's program. Yeah, I was in and out of my master's program for a good four to five years, with no degree, by the way. Because I was like, this is for me this, you know, I'm $20,000 in debt. I kept saying those kinds of things to myself, I kept. And I and I just did a live on this in my group last night. I kept not allowing myself to slow down, like you said, to benefit from Ms. Because there are benefits, by the way, and to realize what was super important for me. So let me tell you what the pause but it wasn't even me. Because I kept going. You know, I get a you know what I did? I just went and I volunteered on the site for the Multiple Sclerosis Society. I just did like more. I use senior class president up together, I was like, I'm never gonna, you know. When Ms came, it was about me. And it was about my body and stuff. And then a couple years later, I was in grad school. Actually, I was just about to take a break from grad school. And I took a test outside of grad school. And lo and behold, that test was positive. And so I was three months pregnant. July 2015. And so I was like, Holy crap. I didn't even know if I wanted kids. Like I told you, I was the oldest of nine. I had been child rearing. My youngest sister at that time had like, just been born. Oh, wow. So that's how close yeah, that's how close all of that is. So it was it was, it was definitely a whammy. And it was definitely like, wow, now we really got a step back. And it just completely changed everything. Kids completely changed everything. And if they didn't for you, that's awesome. Right? Because that means you got a better head on your shoulders in mind. They just, she took over my world. And I love that I love being pregnant. I love being in remission, not dealing with any sorts of issues or symptoms with my multiple sclerosis. I love eating. I love doing all of those things. And when she was born, she was just perfect. It was really weird. She looked like she was like three months older, and she just came out of the womb just fully, fully intact. Everything, no peeling skin. She was beautiful. And so I was like this is it. This, this is definitely it. And my program had promised me they were like, Oh, well, you can take a year long leave. That's what they required that I was in and out so much. They were like, you can take your Levy, you can come back. So I was like, Okay. And so they asked me if I wanted to come back after a year. And I was like, No, I don't. And because I was I was still you know, doing all this stuff. And my husband had just graduated the MSW program and was doing all of his work stuff and getting started. So I took another year off, and after that year, I decided I don't want to go back. And it was a big decision. And it's it felt like I was giving up. But it didn't in the same sense and that I was gaining so much more. I was like I'm never gonna get this time again. And I do She remembered my life and you know my stuff. And I was like, I need to be fully present. And so that's what I did. And so when it was time to go back to grad school, after two years, I just didn't. And then the year after that, you know, the year after she was born, I decided I'm going to go be a registered yoga teacher. And so that's what I did. I did a year long program, I became a registered yoga teacher. And I just didn't look back, I started working for small studios, of course, you know, you get your rep in at first. But once I was contracted by dignity, after a year or two, it felt very stable. It felt very right. And so I was like, this is definitely for me. And I believe in seasons. I believe in seasons of life, I believe that child rearing is a season, I believe that business and money making is, excuse me, is the season, I believe that caring for, you know, the next generation or, you know, caring for your elders, I believe that's another season. And I believe all of them can be inter matched in a way when doing it, right. So that's where I'm kind of at right now. I am just here I am, like I said, loving the, the changes and the different seasons of my life. And I mean, I just I couldn't really ask for much more right now. Yeah. That's great. Do you? You mentioned you do prenatal yoga as well? Is there any exercises that in like, stretches that you usually recommend for pregnant during pregnancy? For women to work to kind of help? Get ready for delivery? Oh, yeah, you know what, there are always great stretches that you can look up on YouTube, you can look up on Google, and they will come up and the benefits will come up with them, too. That's what I love about Google. You know, it'll give you everything and YouTube will then put it all in video together for you. Yeah. So I think it's super beneficial to do yoga, first of all, throughout pregnancy, my first birth, I did your even before I was certified, I did yoga pretty much the entire time I would do at least once a week of prenatal yoga. And it's an experience. And let me tell you why prenatal yoga is an experience. Because that's baby bonding, like, wave, like when your baby comes out, you're gonna be like, oh, so unfortunate. Because you'll, you will have like this image, this, you will know your baby, from the inside out from your meditations from your breathing practices from your connection. Because visualization is powerful, you know, even visualizing anything. I think any exercise you can get going, is going to be great during prenatal yoga. And I think it's important to remember that the body is changing. We are different every single week. So something you did this week may not feel comfortable the next week, lots of relaxing, lots of ligaments being loosened, and you know, getting ready for baby and stuff. So some really, really basic ones that I love, for relief, back pain, relief of just, you know, aches, sometimes upper body aches, whatever it is, as I love and I'm gonna just for just a minute. I love my cats and cats. Okay. And I'm going to show you a seated version of cats and cows because of the fact that so often we think we have to get on the floor and do all this when you're pregnant, like I don't know, maybe not. So, my seated versions are a little more gentle. But at the same time, I feel like you couldn't really get into things. were seated versions because everyone thinks chair yoga and like, no, it's hard when you're doing it right when you're linking breath. When you're really in your muscles and stuff. You'll feel it. And so I always like to Crump the spreading the feet and pressing the toes down firmly into the ground. And then you know, just grounding your hands wherever they feel comfortable. And we can do the house is what we call it. So that is when you pull your shoulders back, you stretch that belly Forward, forward and pull the back back. So we can do this as far as we want to when we're pregnant. Okay. And then for our cat, which usually we would arch the back really, really heavily, I just realized we would arch the back really heavily usually, really get into those shoulders and our muscles. But when we're a little farther than, and this is, everyone's body is different. When we're a little farther than three to five months of pregnancy, we want to keep it neutral with them. And so the exercise would look put together look like this cow Big breaths, and had to come back to neutral. And so you still get this big, long cow with that stretch. And then if you'd like to, you can always argue back for the cat. But depending on what stage of pregnancy you're in, it's always going to differ, right? Right. So that is a good one. That is a good one for relieving the aches and pains in the upper back and in the upper body because we know caring baby's going to be a lot. And we're going to feel like we want to stretch and some days we're going to wake up and be like this baby gain 1000 pounds. So it feels good. Just to get that simple back and forth. And I encourage my ladies all the time, I encourage my mama's all the time to mix it up some arch side and exhale there, whatever it is. The next one that I'm going to show you, I'm gonna show you three. Okay, next one is going to be you just take your palms again, press them into the ground, I mean into the tops of the thighs firmly, you can get where you want to with your lower body, spreading the hips far apart, sitting up and then sitting back down, lifting out the sitcoms. And then just rotating big, big spirals, incorporating your breath with it. Who can move with belly, baby, whatever it was, and then we're ready with the opposite direction. And so filling it in, upper back, feeling moved through the shoulders and then down into the hips. Just really incorporating that good, big breath with him. And then one more. I'm gonna go ahead and show you as we're seated here is just, we're going to sit tall, take the palms out to the side and just spread and why you can just spread out to the side. I don't have a lot of room here. Just kidding. Can you big, big breath free each. Reach those fingertips long and tall and then exhale, we're gonna look forward or towards the ceiling think your shoulders drop away from the years. When we're big breath. We can press those sidewalks out the size by 432 and one I'm like, I'm like I've got a desk over here. I know I'm like we weren't ready but it's okay just to show you you can do it anywhere. Right? And I love that you have I mean this is great for like you said prenatal but it also for any office. Yes, exactly. Sitting at a desk all day. I'm even thinking because I work with women that have multiple sclerosis as well. And they might not be able to stand up as well for long periods of time. So even something like this for them is wonderful as well. So you're able to do it no matter your level. And I love how you incorporate not getting so stuck in. I feel like a lot of people try to perfect positions. So exact Play, it's more about moving within your whole body and feeling what your body feels like and trying to move into different positions so that you can get some release and some stretch. And I love that that you did that. Because, you know, like I mentioned, I think people get stuck in, like, let's go through the cat and cows and the breathing. And they're not realizing like just shifting the hips slightly can make that sensation feel completely different. Like I'm sure you felt it right, I'm sure yeah. Oh, all the different activations of muscles and movements and ligaments that we were doing, I want people to realize that to yoga is so much more than a warrior, one two sun salutation, it's more than sequence. Yes, yes. So looks different on everyone with multiple sclerosis, that is a big deal for me, the fact that my body looked different 10 years ago, than it does now. And your body is kind of look entirely different, maybe even next month. Really about and this is the entire accessible yoga movement. I'm really about letting people know, like, that's beautiful, like, look at what like go you like oh my gosh, like look at all these different things that you can do. Like, there's lots of people who can well, and let's appreciate each phase that we are in life, rather than getting disappointed by something, you know, if you're dealing with you know, maybe and I hate to bring this up, because this is not something that I feel like we should focus on. But a lot of women after having children, they feel like they need to lose the weight. But why not just appreciate the phase that we're in when we're in it, and work within that body. And let me tell you something, as as a birth doula I have learned. And I think I had to learn this with my MS. Because a long time ago, I started getting compliments. When I started drastically losing weight with my MS. I was about 160 pounds when I was diagnosed with MS. And I lost it drastically. And I got lots and lots of compliments. And lots of oh my gosh, you know, You're so skinny and, and sometimes almost like in a sad way, like, Oh, you don't look good. Because you're so skinny. It didn't matter. I was like, I am proud of myself. You all have no idea what we have been through in this body. So I love my body. And I am grateful for my body. And just like I was mentioning seasons, when I go through the seasons of pregnancy, people are like, Oh my God, you lost that weight so fast. You're so skinny. And I'm like, because I could have given an F last. I was busy breastfeeding and I was busy working on this side. And if that led to me losing weight, so be it. But you know what I did more than anything. I allowed for myself to be human. And everything that I wanted to. And I feel like so many people struggle trying to fit a box or trying to they want to be this or they want to be the end that's okay. To put on the side. But don't let that lose track of where you are in life. Right? What really happened? Okay, I feel like we have covered so much where did the time go? No, I want you to let everyone know where they can find you. I also know that you have created some products for those mamas with Ms. Correct. Can you tell us a little bit about that and then where we can find you and everything. And then your community? Your Community? Yes, yes. So we'll start with the community. My community our community on Facebook is multiple sclerosis Mama's and it is a private Facebook group of over 1000 Mama's strong all living with MS. And we welcome doggy mamas Auntie mamas has been Mama's add to be Mama's. We just require that you're a woman, of course and we we just do a whole lot there. Like when it was created at the beginning of warranty, I had no idea what it would turn into now. but it is a wellness program now it is a clothing boutique. Now it is a whole lot over here now, you can always find us on Instagram and on Facebook as well. You can find our, our page at multiple sclerosis mamas. and on Instagram at multiple sclerosis mamas to sign up for a clean life now, which is the 19th of May our stress life in our secret tools, recommended exercises and successful steps to that best Ms. Mama life. You can just go to Ms Mama's dot com sign up there. And that actually is a straight link. When you sign up. It takes you straight to the Facebook group, and then it takes you straight to the store as well it gives you options. So all you really need to remember is Ms. mamas.com. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day. Oh my gosh, of course my pleasure anytime. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to listen to our podcast. I hope that you found this information valuable. And I hope that you were able to immediately use some of the information that was provided, make sure to go check out our show notes for all of the links that we discussed today. As a mom, I understand that at times you can feel alone and are looking for that sense of community. Here at form fit. I am bringing moms together in a healthy and supportive community. I would love for you to come join us over on our free Facebook community that is form fit community. Join us over there where we can get to know you more. Or feel free to try out our membership free for seven days. It provides you with workouts recipe guides, information on healthy hormones healthy habits, posture information, accountability calls, and in person in zoom events. Plus, you can receive one on one training from me for 50% off. Find out all the information by going to form CIT online.com so that you can learn more. Now, go out and enjoy your day while practicing small healthy choices that will make lasting changes