Ep 55: Family Camping with Kimberly from Cruisin and Campfires

Today I am speaking with Kimberly from Cruisin and campfires; she is a weekend RV enthusiast who is here to talk to us about camping with our children, some of her own stories, ways to keep them entertained, and a fun glamping subscription box that she offers.

-Introduce yourself and explain what made you start living the RV life and are you a full time RVer or just for fun?

-What has been one of your favorite places to visit or RV trips?

-Camping with kids I want to hear all about it, like you had mentioned the good and the bad

-Recommendations for families who want to try this for a vacation this summer?

-Tell us about your Subscription boxes, the children’s one and the glampfire and how we can follow you.

You can find Kimberly at:
Cruisin' + Campfires: Elevate the RV Experience (cruisinandcampfires.com)
Cruisin and Campfires | Facebook
Community waitlist (roadpreneur.com)

Transcript

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Welcome to raising healthy humans, where you as a busy mom can come each week to find information on health and wellness for your family. Enjoy experts discussing tips to help raise children through each phase of life. Gather current information on nutrition and wellness. And listen to Courtney, a personal trainer, health coach, movement specialist and founder of forum fit a community where she helps busy moms move more. Here she provides you with movement and posture tips, while sharing information you need to help raise healthy humans. Today I am speaking with Kimberly from Crouzon and campfires. I found her on Instagram a while back and I thought it would be great to be able to speak with her. She is a weekend RV enthusiast who is here to talk to us about camping with our children, some of her own stories of camping ways to keep them entertained. And then a fun glamping subscription box that she offers. I hope you enjoy it Yes, so I do a lot. I am a mom a full time mom, I have two little ones. I have a six year old, he just turned six. So it's weird to say that out loud, a six year old and a four year old and we adventure as much as we possibly can. And when I say adventure that means are via adventure or means hiking, it means mountain biking, we've just become an official, I feel like we're official mountain biking family. Okay, so that's been really exciting. Plus, I'm also a business owner. So I also own two kind of three businesses. So I have careers and and campfires, which is a b2c business, which just means I offer some really fun camping and road trip activities for families. And then I also have road printer, which is a business where I teach people how to start and scale a business that lets them travel. And then I also have an Arbonne business, because why not throw something extra in there and just have something extra fun to put on your plate? Well, and I found you through Instagram, because we are we do not have an RV. But we have a travel trailer. And so I've just been watching you over. I don't know how long it's been probably a year now I would say I'm not sure exactly how long I've been following you. But I've been watching you for a while. And I saw where you had added something which we'll talk about in a little bit. But that was really exciting to see as well. So tell me, you are not a full time. rver Correct. That's right. It's definitely on our list of adventures to try. But we are I would call us more weekend warriors get out as often as we possibly can. We do beyond weekend. So we'll do a lot of like week long trips, my husband is very lucky that he gets a lot of time off. And so and I make my own schedule. So we're able to kind of hit the road and go when it's kind of more off peak season. And we can stay for longer. Or we also live in a prime area. We're based here in Arizona. And so Arizona is one of those where you can basically camp you around. So we are able to hit the road, we have started a new tradition, for example of hitting the road immediately after Christmas. Just leave the mess behind leave the Christmas tree behind and go and have our other Christmas tree at a campsite that we have found. That's a little it's off grid totally off grid. You can't even get cell phone service and just go and really decompress after all the hustle and bustle. So we do all sorts of camping whenever we possibly can. And someday somehow, someway, we don't have the exact plans yet we are going to be full time. Okay, now do you? Is it something where you usually will have a set point where you go directly to that one place? Or do you usually if you have like a week long trip? Are you trying to hit different points along the way? I would say both. So we've never really set out or we don't have a destination in mind. That terrifies me for a lot of reasons. But I know some people who do but I we definitely have multiple types of trips. So the one that I talked about that's after Christmas is always a quick trip. It's about a 45 minute drive down. So I mean I pack the boys or their lunches and they eat in the car or they eat it when we get there. It doesn't matter. But it's not one of these big camping trips where you feel like you've got to pack the car full and have everything ready. And then we'll also ditch reps, where we'll go, for example, one of our favorite trips is going to Texas. And Texas, there's, it's a long drive. And if you've ever been on that stretch from Arizona, through to the middle of Texas, like Hill Country area, there is a stretch, that's probably 810 hours if you're telling. And it's there's nothing there. There's just really nothing there. There's a lot of gorgeous rolling hills, I call it nothing was actually everything. But there's just nowhere to stay. Okay. And so what we've done is we'll break that up, when there's actually a safety rest stop, which is really interesting. I've never thought I'd overnight at a rest stop. But it's one of these safety rest stops, there's actually a playground, there's places there's a little museum inside. And so if you need some air conditioning, you can pop inside and cool down. And there's nice bathrooms, there's a lot of vending options. And so we pack our own food. But if you don't, there's options there. And there's places for you to charge your phones, because you don't usually run your generator the truckers do, which is totally fair, but a lot of our viewers don't. And so we'll stop somewhere like that. And then we'll continue on our journey. Another time we've done this, where it's kind of the multiple steps was right in the beginning of our RV journey, or RV living, not living but RV travel, I guess. And that was when our kids were still pretty little. And we got a little bit nervous about going anything beyond four hours with them in the car. I mean, you you're a mom, so you understand when they're very little especially like infant little, it's you don't want to have to be stuck in the car for a long time. And they don't either. And they'll let you know if they don't want to be stuck in the car for a long time. So what we did was we went up to Durango, which is kind of I call it my camping home. It just feels like home whenever we roll in there and I just absolutely love that. That city that area, the region. But we'll stop usually at Flagstaff on the way. Okay, so we'll break it up that way, both on the front end and the back end. I will caveat that was saying there was one trip where my husband's like, I think we can do it. I think we can push through and I said, Okay, you're crazy, but let's do it. You're not the one in charge of taking care of the kids. I am. So but that was okay. And so we had this moment. I hope I'm not speaking too much. But I just I love telling That's right. No, you're good. So we had this moment where we neither one of us could sleep you know, it's the night before you leave, you're you're mentally going through your checklist and saying, Did I get everything? Did I pack everything? Do we have enough food? Yes, we're going to be close enough to a grocery store. But do we have enough food? Do I have too much food? You're going through all of that in your mind? And you just cannot sleep? And so at midnight, my husband finally said, Let's just go. And I'm like, Okay, why not because they'll sleep in the car. That'll be a good stretch of time where they can sleep in the car. He is okay to drive at night. I'm terrible at it. But I was not going to be the one driving anyway. And so we we loaded up the kids, they got their you know, their snuggie little blankets, they got their neck pillows, they were set, they were fine. And we drove and we drove them all the night. And it was crazy. We bypassed all of Phoenix traffic, which is awesome. Because if you've ever been through Phoenix, it's a big city, any big city, you know, you don't want to go through at rush hour. So that was one of the things we're worried about. We did not have to worry about that then. And then it was about 330 in the morning. This sort of started to doze off because like I said, I'm not good at getting up in the middle of the night. I like to sleep. And all of a sudden my husband said I don't know for us where we're supposed to be. And I thought oh my goodness, oh, of course. My eyes popped open. And I looked out and there we were surrounded by a wildfire. I kid you not the smoke, you could smell the smoke, and you could be the flames on the side of the road. And I said, Well, you didn't see any cops or you didn't see anyone telling you to it. We couldn't go here we're on the interstate. There wasn't some random road. And he said I know I guess we just keep driving and we just kept driving and driving and driving. Now we saw the red and blue lights. But they were on the side of the road and they weren't stopping us. They said I guess you just keep going. Lo and behold I was in the in the middle of all this by the way. I was on my phone like okay, where's the wildfire Arizona wildfires googling as much as I could you know, and it turns out it was a prescribed while burn but rolling up on it at 330 in the morning. You're like what is happening? You know, you get a little bit nervous. Yeah. So in any case, we pushed right down through that. It was quite the experience is really fun. Our boys were a little bit bummed. We did not wake them up to see it. But of course we did it because sleep is precious. And we made the 12 hour trip and that one it was a straight shot. And they did not cry a single time. And then we had the most fun, relaxed, easy trip for five nights at that campsite. We drove back. We did stay overnight one night in Flagstaff on the way home. And then we drove home but it was on that drive back where I looked at my husband I was like I think we have something magical happening here like we figured something out. Besides waking up in the middle the night to keep the kids happy. and same and relaxed and us happy and sane and relaxed. And so it's just one of those amazing experiences you don't even anticipate. And yet there it was, it is so nice to be able to go camping to just kind of it makes you have to slow down. And I don't know where you stay. So I'm in Florida. And it's a little bit different here in the way of every we can't just, I mean, maybe people can, I have never felt safe doing this, where you just roll up, like you mentioned how you roll up to just anywhere. Our places like we have to plan a year in advance to go to some of these state parks, which are probably out there as well in Arizona, but I feel like there's a lot of places that you have to have reserved. But once you're there, you can just really let everything go and just enjoy being out in nature. Yeah, absolutely. So the the caveat to that is, well, first, I will say 2020 did definitely change everything in the camping industry and the camping scene, because everybody started to realize it was a safe way to travel you didn't you could easily be socially distant. And yet you could still be in somewhere different. You had a change of scenery. And then especially people who were working from home, they said, Well, why not just work from the road? What's the difference, and then we can see the world. And so it absolutely changed everything. I follow very closely the RV industry news. And it does not look like that's going to slow down anytime soon. A lot of people have thought that but I think everyone's kind of caught the bug of let's just get out and explore and life is too short. And now a lot of organizations have seen that productivity actually does go up when you let people work from home, it's not something where you have to be micromanaging. And so that has really led to a lot of people either hitting the road full time or hitting the road more often or whatever, however they want to camp. But yeah, the the campsites are definitely definitely hard to get. I will also say the caveat to this is boondocking, or dispersed camping, which is where you go out and you just roll up on a site. And you kind of go with your fingers crossed, and you hope that you can find something that has also exploded, and has really made it so it can be kind of difficult to find a spot. So a lot of times you're going to have to preemptively have a secondary plan in place. And a third plan in place. And I feel like that's the case with any trip though even if you don't have reservations, you need to know that things are going to go wrong. One of the number one tips that I give to people when they talk about going in RVing is over plan, but then also plan to be 100% Flexible things are going to happen. So we had a camping trip where we were going to fly or to Prescott and Prescott, roughly three and a half hour drive from us. I knew what meals were going to eat. I had everything packed, I knew the temperature, I knew where the hiking trails are that we wanted to go on, I knew how we were going to rent a kayak to get onto the lake. I knew all the things. And on our way up, thankfully, only about 45 minutes away. We had a blowout and that happens often in travel trailers and RVs. It's not an uncommon thing. But of course, we hadn't done all of our due diligence. And so the spare tire that we had that we'd gotten from the dealer was the wrong spare tire. So we had to unhook abandoned our RV on the side of the interstate and go into town and we found a discount tire because that was where we gone are other tires. Not sponsored on this podcast. I guess I have to say that. But we found we found a tire shop, we'll just say that. And it was a couple hour wait. And so I said okay, what can we do for a few hours? We gotta get the kids out of the car. What can we do? We're not just going to sit in the lobby for for that long. And this was post pandemic. So it would be would have had to been sitting there masked and socially distant and maybe even outside in this very crowded parking lot with two small children. It was just not going to happen. So I just I went on Google trusty ol Google right. And I pull I found that we were about three miles away from this gorgeous park as a we're gonna go for a hike. And so we did and it was this beautiful lake. We hiked down maybe a half mile if that. And then we were just around the river and we're skipping stones and we're building like a little fort on the on the beach. And suddenly I'm like, Oh, we thought we should probably go back and get our trailer now. But we're so immersed in that experience. It was really, really fun. And then we rolled into the campground and I will say that that trip was everything. Everything went wrong on that trip that probably pretty much could have. So we had that blowout on the beginning. And then right that night, we're finally relaxed to the campsite. And I feel like this is a terrible story to tell and I'm gonna discourage people from camping so maybe I shouldn't but this is a fluke incident. A drunk driver came through and literally almost hit our family They thankfully probably saw us on our fire and overcorrected hit the car across from us. And it was just the most wild experience it actually, that driver totaled the car across from us. That's how fast they were going through the campground. And we thought, Oh my goodness. But that was the only incident that whole trip we ended up because of that incident, you have to find the silver linings and everything. Because of that incident, we actually ended up finding some camping friends. This is my favorite part of campaign. We met some people who we might not have met otherwise, but everyone was out more and speaking more and a little bit more. Like everyone. Okay, everyone, okay, we're all good. Okay, let's move on. How can we get back to having this beautiful camping trip that we wanted to have? And we're still in touch with those friends. And they had kids roughly the same age as ours. And so it ended up being okay, ever, but nobody got hurt. Yes, the car was totaled. That's never fun, but nobody was injured. And so it ended up being a blessing in disguise. But yeah, it's one of those things where you just cannot be you have to always have that secondary plan of things will go wrong, what's going to happen? Just be flexible. Go with the flow, it's going to be okay. Okay. So if someone is interested in starting to go out RVing, what do you recommend? Like, where would you start? First? I mean, obviously get the RV or whatever your going travel trailer, whatever you're interested in. But do you recommend like are there certain sites that you recommend? And where would you take us from there? Yeah, that's a really good question. I think it varies for each person, I would highly recommend starting at somewhere where it's close by so things do go wrong, then you feel like you're not too far from home. And you know, it's not as nerve racking, I guess it's a little bit of a safety net there. So I like starting close to home, our maiden voyage, as they call it was about 30 minutes away from our house. And we've been back there a couple of times, but it was in a state park. And so we're still away from it all. We were still we had full hookups. So full hookups basically means you got water. And we did not have sewage, we did not have full full hookups. But we had water and electricity. Okay, so you didn't have to worry about that. We were able to learn on the go. But we also had, we knew we're rolling into a campsite that had really good campsite hosts. Those are the people who greet you and are there to help you know if you have any questions. And so doing it that way my husband grew up RVing I did not. And so being able to have the best of both worlds was nice to also have someone to talk to and someone who could ask questions and sort of find our, our camping legs, you know, they call it a sea legs, you can also camping legs, or you just feel like you know what you're doing, you get that routine of like, okay, when we pull in this is how we're going to set up this is how we're going to back in, do we want to back end we want to pull pull through site, you know, all these different questions that you're not going to end know all the answers to them before you leave. So going close to home is really, really, really smart. I would also avoid digging too heavily in the internet. I think that sounds kind of counterintuitive to my business and to what I do. And yet I feel like the more you choose a few select people that you want to follow and listen to, and then listen to them. But don't go so deep into this for you're up for hours in the middle of the night trying to scroll all the different checklists, all the different ideas, all the different things because you're going to overwhelm yourself before you ever leave. And the beauty of camping is you can go with the flow and you can just let it be easy. Let that be your mantra. That's always what I tell people let that be your mantra. It's just let it be easy. Yeah, it does not have to be hard. Okay. So once we have decided, like, where we're going to go or whatever, are there things because I feel like the list is forever long, or all the things that we need on our camping trip? Do you have like a recommendation of these things? Don't leave home without kind of thing. And how do you go about that? Is that where you pack up your travel trailer the night before? Or? Or is yours fully? It has everything you need in it so that when it's time to go, you just go yeah, oh, what a good question. So I have a checklist on my website. Of course I'll get that at the end. Okay, um, but I will say that there are always thinks I'm gonna forget, I always forget things. It just happens. It just, it just does. My method for packing is a little bit unique. I've actually never seen it done and I'm working on creating a product where it's a packing checklist, the way that I approach it because I feel like I found this like I said earlier, this kind of secret sauce for how to make it less overwhelming. Here it is. I'll try and describe it. Okay, it's also on my website for free downloads. You can visualize it that way and I think I've got a few reels of it on Instagram too. But basically What you do is you just write everything that you know you need. So a few of the obvious things are going to be clothes, of course you need linens, you're gonna have to have your bath towels and you're gonna go to the pool, you're gonna have to have your beach towels as well don't want to mix those because sand gets everywhere, things like that. So you've got the obvious toiletries, anything you bring on any trip, then there are the things you're going to want to pack day of. So that let me stop the first list, I start packing it, as soon as we bring our trailer home, we don't store it here at our house. Okay, so as soon as that comes home with us, then I start to pack it, I just like to get it full as far as I can just to not have to mentally run through that checklist of how did it get everything. So it makes it a little bit easier to have a few day runway. And of course, on the last day, sometimes I'm not really packing anything, and that's okay, too. It's nice to have it done. Then you're gonna have the things you pack day of. So I always put on that list, there's toiletries day, of course, you're gonna want to grab your toothbrush the day off unless you have a separate one, which I don't your pillow, I've forgotten my pillow way, way too many times. You don't want to forget your pillow, your chargers, that's something that I always tend to forget. And yet it's it's nice to have especially, you've heard me Google 1000s of things already on this episode. So it's nice to have those if you do want them. And that's basically it as far as day of I don't really stress too much. I just packed that. And then of course, you're going to have your food. So the final part of my my list is the food portion. So make our our meal plan for the week or weekend or whatever, however long we're going to be there. And then I packed all of our food. So put the dry goods, we have kind of a pantry inside of our RV, and then I'll put the refrigerated goods on the day that we're going to leave. So that's just a quick PacMan but you have the list, you're not going to leave something at home, which is really nice. Okay, perfect. Because I've always noticed, like, we'll be gone. And then I'll need like a pair of scissors or something. Or we've we usually make certain dishes like I'm just thinking like, some sort of pasta salad. And then I have nowhere to store the leftovers when you know it's like all these little things that I'm like I need to just write it down. So that I always remember it in the future because this is something we always deal with every single time we go camping. So yeah, every time we're camping, I do keep a list of other things of things that we want to get like our would love to have list and like oh my goodness, how do we forget that? So one of the things on there also, yes, we've got the collapsible Tupperware containers that those are really nice to store in the trailer. So you don't have to worry about those. Yes, a kettle is one that a lot of people forget for hot water, and a can opener, I have forgotten that too. The fun thing about all of those is if you're camping next to neighbors, or there's people around you, you can always go and ask people at campgrounds I found a really really friendly, it's kind of a fun way to open the door of like we're making a at one of the campgrounds on time. When I forgot Of course my can opener, we were making a Dutch oven dessert. So it's one of those like cakes and the Dutch oven. And it only has three ingredients it has like butter cake mix. And then like pie filling, well that pie filling comes in a can. And they did not have a can opener. But there's also only four of us. And we probably don't need to be eating an entire dutch oven full of cherry pie or whatever it was that we're making. And so we were able to share it with them. Or we would have been able to if we had not burned that specific batch. But again, things go wrong, and it's okay. But it was a fun story. We got to meet them. They were so friendly with our kids. They had some really cute dogs and my kids love dogs. And so it just kind of crack that door open to getting to know people that you're camping right next to Well, that's nice. That's very nice to be able to interact with other campers. Because they are like you said they're so they're so nice. And I think everybody's just we're all slowing down a little bit when we go camping. So it allows more opportunities to stand around and talk and get to know one another as well. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So camping with kids talk to me about this. Your children are younger. I we've been camping, we've had our camper for I think seven years. So we were probably I mean my oldest is 16. So we were like they were nine so they were younger, as well. It is it's different. So is what do you recommend that we make sure to do with our children? Do you have anything that you usually recommend people do or make sure that they have that you have to keep them happy and entertained? Yeah, I can really speak mostly to the littler children. Because that's my obviously my personal firsthand experience. But I would say Again, overplaying don't forget to bring some toys, it's okay for you to bring toys to a campground, but try and make them more outdoorsy toys and things are going to help them feel or embrace I should say the the outs, the outdoor experience and get them outside. So you're going to of course want to prepare for the weather, keep them comfortable outside of they're gonna want to be outside. So have warm enough clothes, warm enough jackets, things like that. That one probably goes without saying, but things you can do with your small children outside to keep them entertained, because attention spans are short, I'll give you just a couple of ideas. Okay, I love to bring along some paints, and just go on a rock, hunt around your campground, find some rocks, and then when you want to have some relaxation time, but your kids need to have something to do have them paint rocks, and then they can go and they can hide them places around the campground or they can bring them home as a souvenir that part's up to you. But just letting them get their hands busy. And doing something that's fun, but still sort of touching. Nature's really good. Building a fort is another really fun one. All you really need are some sticks and rocks. And you can make you can turn a tree into this beautiful like what is it called the Lean lean to or whatever. Oh, yeah, just make it. Yeah, they can make their own shelter. And then they feel like they've got a fun place to go and hide. But then you can keep your eyes on them. But they feel like they're, you know, away from you. And yet they're totally not away from you, which is always good. Another thing is bringing headlamps. Kids love lights. And especially like winter camping, it gets dark so early, they're not ready to go to bed. You can't always rely on having a campfire, right. And in addition to that campfires only extend a certain amount of light. And so you want to be able to see them if they were to run off into the forest or whatever it happens when you're camping. Kids love to have those headlamps on because they're fun and they feel like they've got something on their head and then it's theirs and they get to go and explore. If you want to take it a step further and you're not too afraid of sugar. You can also set up like a lollipop hunt or a little Easter egg hunt. And we're coming up on Easter season, at least at the time of this recording. And so something where they can go and hunt for things at night, I haven't done Easter icon so in June, it doesn't matter. It's just a thing for them to go out and explore and have a little bit of fun. Another thing you can do is you can turn your campsite into a mud kitchen, let them get dirty, it's okay to get dirty when you're camping. Let it just let it be what it is. And this is really great on the last day because then you don't worry about taking out the laundry home, you know you have one set of clothes that they can wear in the car are fine there. But let them get a little bit dirty. So sometimes I'll bring along like a little muffin tin and old muffin tin. I'm not cooking muffins at a campsite, but they can with mud and then they can decorate them and they can have some fun with it. So that's another really fun thing. scavenger hunts are great. scavenger hunts are good because again, you can kind of sit back if your kids are a little bit older and you trust them to go a little bit further from the campsite, they can have some flexibility and come back and keep having a reason to come back and report to you. I guess without feeling like they're reporting to you. You can do all sorts of scavenger hunts like you can do color scavenger hunts like a rainbow scavenger hunt to go find me something every color of the rainbow. Or you can do something that go find the as many different rocks as you can find different shapes of rocks, and they're gonna come back with all different sizes, all different treasures that they find, and their eyes are going to open up to the outside, we're gonna start to see things in a new way. And they're gonna have a lot of fun doing it. And so we don't have to, again, like I said, My mantra is, let it be easy. This is another way to just let it be easy. Let them have as much fun as they want. going and finding those sticks and the rocks and making their own different creations with with the mud and the dirt. And you know all the things. Final one that I'll say is an obstacle course is another great one. You can use sticks and rocks to kind of make like, like you're on a hopscotch course, or you can carve it with a stick in the dirt. Whatever it is. There's just so many ways that we can get really creative. If you're going to a more manicured like kind of a, I guess a resort, they call it you can. You can bring along things like sidewalk chalk as well. And that's really fun. If you're going to be close to water, bring along a fishing net. So you can scoop some things out of the water and see what's in there and waiting for you. There's all different kinds of things, you can find that those are great. I was going to also mention because this is something that we do down here in Florida, there's a lot of bugs. So Summertime is not as much fun to be out in the evening when we're camping. So we ended up going indoors. But for us it's been fun because we bring like card games and dice games and things. So it's still an opportunity for us to connect with one another. And we're playing games with one another. And the kids always love that. So Oh, that's an option as well, for them if for some reason like if it's a rainy day or something to have a few things on hand, where you're not able to get out, yeah, we actually I just included this in one of my boxes, but it was the dry deck of cards is waterproof playing cards for that exact reason. And so on our last camping trip, I taught my son how to play some card games for the first time. And it was really a fun experience. Yeah, and then we have a few board games, like you said, we have one where you throw some pigs up. And depending on how they land, you get scored a different ways. That's another really fun one. Okay, and having some games like that, though, that are exclusive to your RV or your trailer is a really great idea, because then it keeps them fresh. It's not saying you play all the time at home. So it still keeps that experience new and exciting. And you're not having to just like force them to be inside. I guess running my other ones that I'll say is puzzles, too. We love puzzles, which is really great. If in the morning time, you're getting breakfast ready, and you're inside if it's too cold to go outside or it's buggy outside or whatever it is being able to have your kids doing a puzzle and then you're cooking breakfast for you're still right there with them. And they're still engaged. But they're not asking you for all the things and they're not you know, begging you for the TV or whatever it is you're trying not to give to them. Do you notice when you're Are you one who likes to do more campfire cooking? Or do you do more? Just the kitchen in your camper, I prefer to do a little combo of both you Okay, so we will we have definitely use the kitchen more than I had anticipated when we started RVing inside the RV, but we also have a Blackstone grill. And I have a love hate relationship with it. Sometimes it works really good. Sometimes it's not as good. But regardless, we have that outside. So we're still able to be outside and cooking our food outside. Otherwise, we do enjoy doing a campfire cooking sometimes, too. Like I said that Dutch oven recipe where we put the Dutch actually in there, that was pretty fun. And it was exciting for the kids to see because they're like what is gonna happen? What are we doing? We're putting food into the fire and it's just kind of one of those ways to bring it back to nature. Okay, do you have a Dutch oven that you then do other things with in the fire? Um, yeah, so actually the recipe this month, and I'll get to what these are later. But inside of my clinic for our boxes, a Dutch oven enchilada recipe, where you can just make the enchiladas and the Dutch oven, which is really fun as well. Or of course, if you put if you you can put like a grill over your campfire, you can cook all kinds of things on that one, a lot of the state parks will have them already there. Or you can get to grill that goes over any other campfire. So if you have a Propane Fire Pit, for example, or whatever kind it is, you can make hot dogs you can make you know Philly cheese steaks, you can make all sorts of things over, like just using that natural heat source. Okay, I that is one thing because we have a grill attached to ours, that we've never done campfire. The one time that we did was when we went like tent camping. And that was very interesting. Because I had a baby. I mean, she was six months old at the time. So that was that was definitely a very interesting experience. But we always use our grill now. But I think I'm going to work on this Dutch oven situation. So I want to hear tell me about your you've got a glamping box. Tell me about this aspect of your business. Yeah, so I the I said earlier on the show, and we're driving home and I looked at my husband, I'll tell you we're in the I can picture it. We're in the middle of the Navajo reservation, there's no internet access. And it's just gorgeous, beautiful color, Mount colorful mountains on each side of us. And then look, somebody said we've got to do something here. And I've been a business owner for coming up on 10 years. And so I said I want to start a campaign business now. And my husband said, Okay, do you whatever you want to do. And so I started it, and I didn't actually know how it was going to take shape. My goal was just I wanted to help families get out there more and make it easier and help it feel easier and just be really fun and exciting. And that really restored of experience that gives you your energy back and lets you really decompress even with young children. And so I started off at in on the kid friend saying I'm gonna I'm going to put together boxes for children when they're going on road trips, and I'm going to put boxes for children when they're going on at the campsite. And that's been good. There was there was interest in it, there is interest in it. But then I've really realized the people that I really love to serve are also people who are just like me, and I want to selfishly I like to dig into all these new ideas and things that are going to make the camping experience feel just a little bit nicer and easier and simpler, but still kind of elevate it a little bit doesn't have to be I've never been that rugged adventurist type where I don't have to shower for a few weeks. No, I like my showers. I bring my hairdryer with me in the RV. Thank you so much. And I'm okay with that. And I that's that glamping intersection that I feel like there's nothing really there until now. So I developed this blank firebox and a glenford crate, which is a subscription box. And basically every single month or every quarter, depending on whatever you want, or both, I send out little things that make it easier to go camping, just something that's going to simplify the experience when you're there. This is not adding more stuff, because if you are v, then you know you don't need more stuff. But it's just as a simple way to add little elements to the experience that make it easier. So for example, in the April boxes, the theme was not so wet and wild because April's known for April showers. And I have some really cute camping socks, just something to kind of keep you cozy, and you can wear them at home too, or you can wear them at the campsite. And then I have some micellar water and some little reusable facial wipes. Because it makes it so you can wash your face without water. But you still feel like you're cleaning up at the end of the day. And you're not, you know, just covered in dirt all the time. And then I have some beeswax wraps where it's a reusable wrap where you can wrap up your foods, you're not bringing a ton of Ziploc bags, you can actually save space and still have something you can reuse to pack up grapes or a bagel sandwich or whatever it is you want to put in them. That's great. The that's one thing I was thinking about when I was talking about putting our pasta away is those Ziploc bags and to have the beeswax just because you know you're going out in nature and you're thinking like I don't want all this plastic and stuff. So to be able to have something more natural with the beeswax wraps are perfect. And then they and they're reusable. Right? Most of those are Yeah, so then you can just reuse them each time. Yep, exactly. Now you had mentioned Did you have another box as well coming out. So not a subscription box, but just a one time boxes. But yeah, so I'm working on I'm about to launch kid, the kid camping box 2.0. And calling it i for lack of a better word, but it's kind of the next iteration of it. And the first iteration was things that we take along with us. So like I said, the paints and stuff like that, okay, this one's going to be a little bit more in depth. And so it's going to be like a, there's going to be a choose your own adventure. It's a scratch off adventure card for kids. So if they're they come to you and say, I don't know what to do, I'm bored. You can say well, here a scratch off something and be you have to commit to doing it and something kind of fun. So in all of the things on there. There's either 20 or 25 activities I can't remember now. But every single one of them are no prep activities. And it's things you're going to have in any campsite that you can use to get them engaged. So some of them I think I said earlier, but there's a ton of different ideas on there. And so once they scratch it off, they have to do it and it keeps them moving. And they're not going to get this Oh, we didn't want to or I can't do that or whatever. It's just it's something that forces you back into adventure and kind of reframe your mindset. I also have some recipe cards, some nature recipe cards, so that mud kitchen idea, you can actually give your child a recipe card and they can say oh, I'm going to make some flour cupcakes, or I'm going to make squirrel snacks or whatever it is. And so I've got different recipe cards there. Things like that aren't going to be inside this box, a treasure bag for going on all those scavenger hunts and a scavenger hunt for you to give to them to try a sketchbook and some recycled colored pencils. So it's just something that's going to be very natural, but it will spark a ton of creativity and you can use it time and time and time again. Okay, so that one is they you buy it and then they can use it throughout forever, as long as they want. And then the other glamping box is more of a subscription. Where you're buying in that can come out once a month. It's either once a month or once a quarter. Okay, okay, perfect. You choose your frequency. Okay. Excellent. All right. So let us know how we can find you. Yeah, so you found me on Instagram. I'm definitely on Instagram at cruise and then campfires. And I also have my website cruisin and campfires.com. And of course we're also on Facebook. Same thing christening campfires, okay, and can you leave us a tip? So for that mom who's thinking, Okay, I'm ready to try this out. Is there anything you want to let them know before they go out or something that they can look forward to whatever you would like to share? Yes, I just want to share a permission slip actually, a total permission slip or you can be yourself and let it not have to be 30 Yeah, and grimy and sweaty like we often think camping is it does not have to be like that. I said, I bring my hairdryer I do. And we've actually used it also to defrost some pipes. So if your husband's going to, you know, not like you to bring it to say, well, that's functional to bring that you can dry your hair. I don't like having wet hair. It can be comfortable. You can wear comfortable shoes, you can be warm, you can cozy up with blankets and jackets. It's okay, it's not nearly as uncomfortable as as soon as you think it is. And then the other rule of thumb that I like to share with people. This isn't I actually lived in Denmark for a long time. And this is a Scandinavian concept. But I'm definitely have been bringing my kids up with it as well. And that's the phrase, there's no such thing as bad weather. And when you go out you never know what the weather is going to be when you're camping. And so when you go out with that mindset of there's no such thing as bad weather we can have fun and everything. If it's windy, we're going to make a kite if it's rainy, we're going to sail some some boats down the stream or paint with water or find something more fun to do and it's okay for it to be rainy and just embrace all the new smells that come up when it rains. It's okay it's okay for things to not be always sunshine and rainbows and unicorns. Perfect. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day for me. Absolutely. Thanks for having me.